I think we could probably host the discussion on here, if it gets moved that should not be a problem.
It turns my stomach when people are so greedy, they have more than most could ever aquire in multiple lifetimes yet do next to nothing to improve their communities. Not to say there are not philanthropists and business people who are looking to make a difference, but the general trend seems to be to try and aquire multiple lifetimes worth of excess. I was partly attracted to Meritocracy because of the idea of a death tax. I do believe that people should be able to get ahead and accumulate wealth if their work merits the financial gain, but the world has reached a level of absurdity and greed that is completely unprecedented.
My brother is the economist/lawyer in the family and is also a bibliophile who has a healthy obsession with reading financial history. I have dabbled in reading a few websites but I would hardly call myself an expert on such matters. I have read a few anonymous authors and fringe theories, but the main conclusion I seem to keep reaching is that the financial system as a whole is pretty messed up - completely driven by greed, materialism, and cut throat selfishness. It is a game best played by psychopaths and shysters so I try to avoid it as much as possible. I will talk with my brother and see if he is interested in joining this thread. He is always looking for a good argument/discussion about economics and has been hard pressed to find people with an open mind for discussing such things - most professors/economists are held up on the Keynsian model and will not even think about disucssing others (i.e. the Austrian school, Hayak I believe?).
I have heard the expression you should never let a good crisis go to waste. To be honest I do not spend much time worrying about crisis in the world as my family and I are fairly close to self sufficienct here. If society halted tomorrow I am sure we would be fine. I am by no means an anarcho-capatilist as I am a firm believer in strong communities and, theoretically, good governance that is not corrupted by greed. My wife actually saw a post online the other day that I completely agree with … try paying the politicians minimum wage for a while and see who sticks around… many of them have lost touch with their constituency and can not fathom the poverty that still exists to this day. I regularly see how difficult it can be for people to raise families, pay for meds, buy gas, pay rent, eat, and still have a life when they are making 20k a year. It is a new form of wage slavery. At the same time spoiled brats are writing off their 3rd and 4th escalade that mommy and daddy bought them, or buying a new one because they were unsatisfied with the color of some BS! It infuriates me, but many feel helpless, or are too lazy, to try and narrow the gap with those who make a million-fold more than the regular pleb could ever dream of. Most citizens literally can not even fathom the kind of wealth discrepancy that exists. They may see it on a micro scale when their rich friend can afford the latest gizmos and toys but it runs much deeper than that. The ones who have true extreme wealth should be ashamed that they do not strive to help those less fortunate. I digress, this is turning in to a rant and perhaps will need to be posted elsewhere, lol!
I see from your first response that you must have business experience or at the very least be well read on social enterprise. I appreciate the clarifications about the B-business model, it is still all very new to me and most of the information I have used is from a binder my boss received at a conference in Calgary. It is called Enterprising Non-Profits (ENP) and they host a Canadian website (http://www.socialenterprisecanada.ca/). It had been my main guide on the topic. I really think you hit the nail on the head when you equate Social Enterprise to being the synthesis between for profit and non-for-profit. What I have learned working in the non profit sector (In agriculture and working with people with Disabilities) is that the funds are quickly drying up for all non profits. There are fewer and fewer philanthropists and joe public is tired of being hit up for cash at every turn because most are struggling to get by themselves…
I was tasked with starting the social enterprise for the non-profit because our farm, Island Forest Foods, is set up as a corporation and I have some experience behind the scenes with business, financing, shareholder agreements, etc. I was fortunate that one of our shareholders is an self-made entrepreneur and magnate who wanted to ensure that every aspect of our business was set up to allow for future expansion and was running tickity-boo. I learned much during the process and although much of the paperwork seemed trivial at the time, I see now how important it is to run a successful operation at any scale. As he liked to say, “good paper makes good friends.” Its is a very true statement and it is a motto we are following with the social enterprise. Otherwise there is a lack of accountability. Someone with less scruples could be lining their pockets, skimming some off the top, or it could simply lead to dissension amongst the ranks. Nothing drives a wedge between two people quicker than money matters. More importantly though, if social enterprise is going to succeed it needs to be run as a legitimate business. As I said in my first post some non-profits, not all, like to take the government (taxpayer) money and spend it like there is no tomorrow. They are stuck in a situation where they have to spend it all or they will not get as much the next year. As you can imagine this leads to some fairly ridiculous financial decisions being made. Social enterprise can not operate this way or else it would be unfairly competing with the private sector. In some cases it should have preferential treatment because the social aspect is saving money for the government in the long run, but any advantages should be modest and equivalent to the amount the enterprise is putting back into the community. An example could be a lease-hold agreement with favorable terms on government property. As you said, it would be very interesting to see a situation where the competitive arena was equalized and companies had to take on more social responsibility. As it stands we are trying to break even and hopefully earn extra to pay dividends to the non-profit shareholder, so that we can keep people employed, but we are doing so with all of the “misfit toys” or “bad news bears” so to speak. Our organization does not discriminate, it is against our mission and mandate to do so, but when we are competing with other organizations who do not have to worry about the social aspect we are certainly at a disadvantage and have to get creative to make things work.
I will say it again that I am no economic expert and that is why I like Meritocracy because hypothetically a board of professional top level “master” economists would be directing the economy out in the open accountable to the public - not behind closed doors. There would be no more irrational things like a GM manager saying lets not increase efficiency “because I dont wanna”. I mean how childish is that, if those types of comments were made publicly I would like to think they would be getting the Axe from that job the next day. People need to realize its not always about them and they their actions have an impact on the collective, especially high echelon decisions like that. I do not know much about game theory but it seems simple to me in a way. Complex simulations only work when you remove human nature or nature in general. Nature does not like to perform within a certain defined framework, and im sure there are many cheats on Wall street who exploit every weakness and loophole they can find - that is true human nature. As a comparison to game theory you can look at the Millennium Challenge war games in 2002. Im sure it all looked great on paper and computer simulations for the US, but general Paul K. Van Riper, who had actually spent time in the trenches of war, did not abide by these ridiculous rules. Even with the odds overwhelmingly against him in terms or brute force he went off the radar, reverted to pigeons, scooters, inflatable dingys and rockets and won. Delivering a crushing blow to the US military in no time. Do you think he was playing by the rules? Of course not, thats why they could not predict his guerrilla tactics, the same way Caesar ran in to trouble against the Anglo-Saxons, or the U.S. rant into trouble against the Vietnamese. The US whined and complained, in effect “took there ball and went home” and had to redo the whole drill to “win” and show that it would have played out different in a “real” war. I know which one seems more real to me, but economics and war (unless its war history) are areas I prefer to steer clear of.